Podcast Transcription
| Dan: | Episode 252 of the Library Pubcast, being recorded, 90th and Fort in Omaha, Nebraska. Typically, we open the weekend with weekends, what happened since the last time we talked, but it’s been a couple of weeks. A lot of celebrities have died, and there’s been some big industry news. So unless anybody has anything they’d really like to talk about. |
| Chris: | Yeah, if we’re going to talk about bad industry stuff, let’s talk about something really good that happened first. So, all right, can I? |
| Dan: | Yes, Chris. |
| Chris: | Is that all right? |
| Dan: | You’ve got something you would like to talk about for your topic? |
| Chris: | I would like to talk about Mustache- |
| Matt: | No positivity on this podcast. |
| Dan: | At least not for the first 35 minutes. |
| Chris: | So Mustache for Kids wrapped up this past week and it consumed my life, my thoughts, and everything. And it turns out that we broke the record. We broke a million dollars, $1.14 million, in 30 days, for three amazing local charities. |
| Matt: | That’s a lot of money. |
| Chris: | Personally, I had a lot of people that donated, and it literally should be all about them. Obviously it’s all about the charities, but it’s really all about the people that donated, ’cause I’m just the idiot that grows the mustache. And that’s it. None of it’s my money. So yeah, people helped me raise slightly over $20,000 for Mustache for Kids. |
| Dan: | Man, that’s insane. |
| Matt: | That’s a lot of money too. |
| Dan: | Great job. |
| Chris: | It’s just insane. So there’s still a lot of thank-yous that I need to do, and I had Stash Bash on Saturday, and then the wedding, so this weekend was a blur. But yeah, that’s what I wanted to get out is if you donated to me, thank you. Appreciate it very, very much. And you guys did a hell of a lot of good for a lot of kids that will benefit within a couple of weeks of this. |
| Dan: | Yeah, it was insane how fast you … And great social media presence by the way. Sarah goes, “Did he seriously … Does he have a horse?” And I said, “No. He scheduled a photo shoot.” |
| Matt: | No, he lives in the middle of the city. |
| Chris: | Yeah, that was fun. It was really good. |
| Dan: | You went all out. |
| Chris: | I did. I did. |
| Dan: | It was a great theme. It was Western Cowboy, so all of your posts saying thank you to people were in, kind of used the jargon and the- |
| Chris: | Yep. It was fun. Like I said, I had a lot of people. This year was really exceptionally special for it, because people that watched … People don’t get it, right? I’m growing a mustache and it’s kids, and it’s like tongue in cheek, even all my thank-yous are kind of supposed to be funny, but I do- |
| Matt: | They’re silly. |
| Chris: | Yeah, they’re silly. And that’s really what it is. It’s supposed to be fun, it’s supposed to be engaging, it’s supposed to be all of these things, and it was. And there wasn’t a dry eye in that place on Saturday when Angels Among Us, who’s the main charity, got up and talked about it. And one of the beneficiaries of it, which is families of kids with pediatric cancer, and this guy’s story and his kid that benefited from it, and him losing his job because he had to be with his sick kid at the hospital. They took care of everything. They took care of all the bills, food, car payments. It’s just incredible what we were able to do. So yeah, that’s it, ’cause I’ll start crying again if I talk about it ’cause I’m still not recovering. |
| Dan: | I’ve got to be in your shoes where the year we raised $15,000 for the Alzheimer’s Association, I cried several times just to myself, because the fact that that many people were willing to give anything to a cause that I support is … That’ll make anybody cry. |
| Chris: | Yeah. Do you want to know what the average of the donations were? There was more $25 donations to get to that $1.14 million, so- |
| Mark: | Does that mean I can take a zero off? |
| Chris: | No. It does not. But that’s insane to think about. |
| Dan: | Yeah. |
| Chris: | So yes, every little bit that you guys can give will always help. |
| Dan: | Yeah, that’s awesome. And that goes back to your river days too, right? |
| Chris: | Yeah. |
| Dan: | It brings back the old phonathon in you. |
| Chris: | Yeah. Yeah, it does. So, man- |
| Dan: | Every dollar counts. |
| Chris: | Anyway, that’s it. |
| Dan: | Awesome. |
| Chris: | Now we can continue into- |
| Dan: | Awesome news. |
| Chris: | … something relevant to the- |
| Dan: | No- |
| Chris: | … whiskey. |
| Dan: | … that’s very relevant. You’re absolutely right. Causes like this are very relevant. Mark, Matt, you guys have anything you guys want to make sure and talk about before we move on to the headlines? |
| Matt: | No, I don’t. No charities for me. |
| Dan: | Okay. Yeah. |
| Chris: | Yes, there is. You donated. |
| Matt: | Well, I donated. |
| Chris: | And you donated, and you donated. |
| Matt: | I donated, but I don’t actively do anything with charities. |
| Dan: | You should. |
| Matt: | Other than myself. |
| Dan: | You should. If you get a chance. |
| Matt: | I’m a bit of a charity case. |
| Dan: | Charity case. Yeah. All right, let’s start with the local news, ’cause that’s the one that seems to dominate. Apparently on Wednesday … Guys, feel free to jump in. I’ve told the story a couple of times and sometimes the details get a little bit mixed up. |
| Chris: | I will- |
| Dan: | But there was … Go ahead. |
| Chris: | Sorry. I will say that I, from what you have just sent to the group, that’s all I know about this. So I was very involved with my stuff going on last week, so I’m going to be quiet for a little bit. |
| Dan: | For the sake of we have a podcast that is going to be on the internet, we’re going to stick to what we know. There is speculation out there of what’s going on, but I don’t think it’d be smart for us to say anything about it. It’s a good thing this isn’t a video podcast anymore. |
| Matt: | Wow. I don’t know whether to be turned on or grossed out. |
| Dan: | I’m both. |
| Matt: | Touch. A touch. |
| Dan: | Kind of both. All right, so on Wednesday of last week, the Liquor Commission held an emergency session to vote out the director; Herbert Rupe? |
| Chris: | Hobert. |
| Dan: | Hobert Rupe? |
| Chris: | Hobert. |
| Dan: | First off- |
| Matt: | Either way, it’s a silly name. |
| Dan: | … what a name. |
| Matt: | What a great name. |
| Dan: | He’s also running for president in ’17? |
| Chris: | Hobie. |
| Matt: | He goes by Ho. |
| Chris: | Hobie. Hobie. |
| Dan: | Hobie. |
| Matt: | Just Ho. |
| Chris: | Hobie. |
| Dan: | Hobert Rupe, without pay, and he was voted out. Again, sorry, this was on Thursday. Apparently according to the 10/11 article, the FBI, or federal investigators, checked out the offices for the State Liquor Commission. And his personal home? |
| Mark: | Yes. |
| Dan: | And possibly, probably, but not confirmed to be related, two strip clubs in Lincoln and the Royal Grove were also searched on the same day. That’s as far as I’ve read in the 10/11 news. |
| Matt: | What were they looking for? |
| Dan: | They didn’t say. 10/11 tried to find out and the investigators did not say- |
| Matt: | They said, “No. We’re not telling.” |
| Dan: | … what exactly they were looking for. |
| Chris: | So first of all, Liquor Commission is all appointed by the sitting … Governor? Mayor? Is that how it happens? How do they get into the position of- |
| Dan: | I believe it’s the governor- |
| Mark: | Appointed by the governor on a five year- |
| Chris: | And there’s no term limits or anything like that? Okay. |
| Dan: | This guy had been serving as the head of the commission since 2004, I think I saw in the article. |
| Mark: | No. |
| Dan: | ’14? |
| Mark: | No. |
| Dan: | ’94. |
| Mark: | No. |
| Matt: | Something with a four. |
| Chris: | ’27. No, sorry. |
| Mark: | Probably ’24, because it was Bobby Batt forever. |
| Chris: | Got it. |
| Dan: | I’m sorry to break this to you, Mark, but you are wrong. |
| Mark: | Okay. |
| Dan: | According to the article, Rupe was appointed executive director of the Nebraska State Liquor Commission in December of 2003. He began his duties January 15th of 2004. |
| Chris: | Wow. So 21 years. |
| Matt: | That’s a long time. |
| Dan: | So this is, in our industry, in the liquor industry, it’s probably not going to affect the bars very much, but everybody that owns a bar that’s been saying these guys are crooked; oh, we got proof now. |
| Matt: | That’s a whole lot of I-told-you-so’s out there. |
| Chris: | Yeah. There’s some there. |
| Dan: | I’ve known for years he was taking money. |
| Chris: | Do you think this has anything to do with anything out west too, as far as … What’s the name of that club? |
| Matt: | Barnato? |
| Chris: | No, not Barnato. Oh gosh, the one of Two Fine Irishmen. |
| Matt: | Oh, Club 180, or whatever it’s called. |
| Dan: | What’s going on with Club 180? |
| Matt: | Oh. There’s some accusations going around about drug sales and prostitution and a few other things. |
| Dan: | Oh, I’m not surprised. Everybody in that area hates the idea of there being a strip club there, or an exotic dancing club, so I’m not surprised. |
| Chris: | I can let you guys read the lawsuit after that, because it’s insane. |
| Dan: | Oh, it’s an actual lawsuit? |
| Chris: | Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. |
| Dan: | So that’s what’s going on with the State Liquor Commission. I mean, we’ll keep you updated as we know, but I’m not really sure what’s going to happen after this. Guy’s probably going to go to jail for some- |
| Matt: | Stuff. |
| Dan: | … stuff. The federal investigators don’t just run in and check things out on a whim. They’ve got something. |
| Matt: | Just ’cause they heard. |
| Dan: | Yeah. Yeah, they’ve got something. The other big news in Chris and I’s life is that on Thursday … Was it Thursday? |
| Chris: | I think it was Thursday. |
| Dan: | Thursday, Johnson Brothers held a company-wide meeting and formally announced that Johnson Brothers is going to officially be the distributor for the Brown-Forman portfolio- |
| Matt: | I knew it was going to happen. |
| Dan: | … as of August 1st. |
| Chris: | It’s pretty much just through the Central States. |
| Dan: | Yeah. |
| Chris: | And then we have some brokerages on other places. |
| Dan: | Five states, that Johnson Brothers is in, that are taking the portfolio from RNDC, the Republic National Distribution- |
| Matt: | Company. |
| Dan: | … Company. I was going to make a joke there, but I decided not to. Commie bastards. |
| Matt: | RNDC’s not going to have anything here anymore. |
| Dan: | Listen, I’ve said it for, I don’t know, six, eight months. I’ve said it for as long as this- |
| Mark: | They’ll have no liquor, but a really nice warehouse. |
| Dan: | I’ve said this since the rumor had been swirling for … I mean, this has been a year this has been going around. |
| Chris: | Could be two years? I’ve heard this for a long time. |
| Dan: | The only way this makes sense, to go off without any hitch, is that Johnson Brothers is in the process of purchasing Republic in the five states they just took Brown-Forman from. |
| Matt: | I don’t see … At least buy their warehouse. |
| Dan: | At that point, you get the warehouse, you get the employees, you get all the … I mean, it’s a smooth transition. I don’t see how Johnson Brothers takes on … I mean, the warehouse is tight as it is, but I don’t see how Johnson Brothers in Nebraska takes on this portfolio. And they said, in the announcement, that this has been a three-year deal they’ve been working on? |
| Chris: | Yeah. |
| Dan: | Like three years ago, Brown-Forman called Johnson Brothers and said, “Hey-“ |
| Chris: | We want to go back. |
| Dan: | Yeah. “Would you guys be interested?” ‘Cause they were back in the ’80s? |
| Chris: | Yeah, there was a little bit. Obviously not in Nebraska. It’s never been this, but yeah, I think that’s when they said. Yeah, it was the ’80s, maybe early ’90s. |
| Dan: | So this is going to be a big deal. And it’s going to be, I mean for Chris and I, just trying to figure out how they’re going to handle this because all of a sudden we went from having the largest portfolio to even bigger. |
| Chris: | Yeah. It’s going to open so many doors for us, but … There is no buts. It’s going to open tons of doors for us that normally wouldn’t. |
| Dan: | Those that don’t know, Brown-Forman, their big product is- |
| Chris: | Jack Daniels. |
| Dan: | … Jack Daniels. |
| Chris: | Yeah. Woodford Reserve, fricking Old Forester. |
| Dan: | There’s a lot of really good bourbons. |
| Chris: | Slane Irish Whisky. There is so many in that, that is going to be huge. I mean Woodford and Old Forester alone, that’s awesome. Every single Kentucky Derby party that happens, it’s Woodford Reserve. So yeah, it’s going to be … I don’t know what our life looks like. I don’t know what’s going to happen in the next few months on the distribution side. I don’t know. Are they going to have two reps? I don’t know. Are they going to slash our territory? Please? |
| Dan: | I know. Well, that’s why I think that it makes sense for them to buy Republic, because then you’ve got a sales force that’s already familiar with the portfolio. And all you do is you move some of the stuff from the current Johnson Brothers warehouse over to the new warehouse, you split up the two warehouses, you split up the two teams, you make everybody’s life a lot easier. The other thing I wanted to talk about is the celebrity deaths. There’s been quite a few of them. I cannot remember the guy’s actual name, but Norm from Cheers passed away. |
| Matt: | Shit, what is his name? |
| Dan: | George Wendt. |
| Matt: | George Wendt. |
| Chris: | Thank you. |
| Dan: | Man, that was a 45-minute pull. |
| Matt: | That hurt. |
| Dan: | That hurt. Christ. I got to meet him once. I’ve got a George Wendt story. He came in for Omaha Beer Fest one year. They paid him to come in, and so he came in early morning when I was working for Z-92 and the radio stations. Since I was a sales rep, I was in charge of getting him from the front to the back. And he comes in the door and I’m like, “Hello, Mr. Wendt. Thanks for coming in.” And he literally growled at me. This is seven o’clock in the morning, mind you, and I didn’t want to be at work that early. He definitely didn’t want to be. We walked down to the back, this is about a 10-minute walk to the back of the studios where Todd-N-Tyler are at. Stood outside the doors, mag light is on, and then it goes off. They go to break. That door swings open, and the whole way back, I’m just being friendly trying to engage with him, whatever, and he’s just … Oh, just a bear. That door swings open and one of the … Todd or Tyler goes, “George.” And he’s like, “Guys. Hey.” Like a light switch, out came Norm. And he’s on, I’m listening to him in the other studio, listening to him talk about his life and the book he wrote and the beer fest. And then he comes out and the first thing he says to me, ’cause one of the … Todd or Tyler took one of his books. He signed it and took it, and he comes over to me and the first thing he says to me is, “I’m going to need that $14.75 for that book.” Turns and walks out, and walks out of the station, and I’m like- |
| Matt: | Damn. |
| Chris: | Friendly guy. |
| Dan: | Every time I talked to him when he was in public, he was a really nice guy. He was just kind of grouchy the other time. |
| Matt: | Probably would be too if I had people screaming ‘Norm’ at me all the time. |
| Dan: | Yeah, probably. |
| Chris: | I wouldn’t. Looking at my bank accounts for all the residuals of all the episodes that still air. |
| Dan: | Right. I think that’s why he had to write the book is the residuals weren’t covering it anymore. |
| Chris: | Maybe. |
| Dan: | We also lost Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay. |
| Chris: | That one’s kind of surprising, or did he have cancer or something that- |
| Matt: | I don’t know what he died from. The one that I saw was Loretta Swift. |
| Dan: | That’s the next one I was going to do. I think there’s a couple more in there that I’ve missed. |
| Matt: | Oh, Hot Lips Houlihan. |
| Chris: | Thank you. |
| Dan: | Yeah, when I saw that I was like- |
| Mark: | Who played Hot Lips in the movie? |
| Dan: | What’s that? |
| Matt: | Oh, it’s the same chick that was in Back to School with Rodney Dangerfield. I can’t think of her name. |
| Dan: | Oh yeah, it was a different … There was only a couple of cast members that crossed over from the movie to the TV show, right? |
| Mark: | Radar was the only one, I think. |
| Dan: | I thought Alan Alda was in it. He wasn’t? |
| Mark: | No. |
| Dan: | Really? He wasn’t in the MASH movie? |
| Mark: | No. It’s Donald Sutherland and Elliott Gould. |
| Matt: | Sally Kellerman was her name. |
| Dan: | Yep. |
| Matt: | Tom Skerritt was in the movie. |
| Mark: | He was. |
| Chris: | Oh man, maybe I … I might not have seen MASH the movie ever. |
| Dan: | I don’t know if I ever have. |
| Mark: | Did you ever see Stripes? |
| Chris: | Oh, yeah. |
| Mark: | You know how the first half of Stripes is really good, and the second half sucks? |
| Chris: | Yeah. |
| Mark: | That’s MASH. |
| Chris: | All right. Fair. |
| Mark: | The first half is really good. When they start playing football game at the end; crap. |
| Chris: | Okay. |
| Dan: | God, I loved that TV show. Man, I love that TV show. |
| Mark: | It was good until Alan Alda started to direct and then it tried to get deep. |
| Dan: | Yeah. It would- |
| Mark: | No, Al, this is a comedy. |
| Dan: | Yeah. |
| Matt: | Does anybody know the name of the theme song? |
| Mark: | Suicide is Painless. |
| Matt: | That’s it. |
| Dan: | Yeah. |
| Mark: | Which is why, in the movie, they had the lyrics. In the series, they just played the music, because it was too much of a downer to play for- |
| Dan: | Yeah, it was dark. |
| Mark: | Suicide is painless, it brings on many changes. |
| Dan: | Dark song. |
| Matt: | Yeah. |
| Dan: | Still one of the saddest scenes in all of TV is when Radar comes in and announces that- |
| Matt: | That the worst- |
| Dan: | … Henry Blake was killed. |
| Matt: | Yeah. |
| Dan: | His plane went down over the Sea of Japan. |
| Matt: | Did you know that Radar has- |
| Mark: | No survivors. |
| Dan: | There was no survivors. |
| Matt: | Radar has a- |
| Dan: | I still- |
| Matt: | … misformed hand. |
| Dan: | I still have not been able to confirm that. |
| Matt: | It’s true. |
| Dan: | But ever since I heard that, he definitely did his blocking in the TV show to where it was on the backside of the camera, or he had a clipboard or something that was covering it. But I’ve always heard that, I’ve just never been able to confirm it. |
| Matt: | Here you go. |
| Dan: | Oh, so it’s fingers. Oh, I thought it was a baby hand. |
| Matt: | Well, I mean it kind of is. |
| Chris: | It’s a baby hand that’s grown up. |
| Matt: | Like an alien baby hand. |
| Dan: | Oh, I thought it was cut off at the knuckles. No. Okay. All right. |
| Mark: | World’s worst career move. |
| Dan: | Yeah. |
| Mark: | Gary Burgoff quitting MASH to be a serious actor. |
| Dan: | That was a recipe of, I listened to the people around me too much and they told me I could be bigger than MASH. |
| Mark: | And you were wrong. |
| Dan: | He came back to MASH later, didn’t he? |
| Mark: | No. |
| Dan: | Oh, he didn’t? I thought he came back later. |
| Matt: | Did you know that he originated the role of Charlie Brown? |
| Dan: | Really? |
| Matt: | In the 1967 Off-Broadway musical, You’re A Good Man, Charlie Brown. |
| Dan: | And he’s actually from Iowa, or his character was from Iowa? |
| Mark: | Character. |
| Dan: | Okay. We were in [inaudible 00:18:39]- |
| Mark: | He was from Ottumwa. |
| Dan: | Yeah. We were in Kansas City a couple of years ago going through a soda shop and I found a grape Nehi, and I’m like, I have to buy this. |
| Mark: | You had never had grape Nehi? |
| Dan: | No. |
| Mark: | Oh my. |
| Dan: | No. Finding a good soda shop, there’s one downtown and there’s one in Council Bluffs, but other than that, you can’t find a good soda shop. |
| Chris: | I’ve never had a grape Nehi. I don’t think I have. |
| Dan: | Yeah, they’re good. |
| Mark: | Yeah. |
| Dan: | I saved the bottle. And Sarah’s like, “Can we get rid of this?” I’m like, “No, I’ll get rid of you first.” |
| Mark: | I like- |
| Matt: | Wow. |
| Mark: | … orange Nehi better than grape. |
| Dan: | Oh, really? |
| Mark: | Yeah. |
| Dan: | Yeah. I looked at the label and it was N-E-H-I, and I’m like, “Nay?” Knee-high? Nehi. Oh, my God, that’s Nehi. And there’s grape. Yeah, I think I bought me and my cousin that … He’s a few years younger than me and he was a big MASH fan too. I bought him a couple of bottles also. I was a dealer of grape Nehi for a minute. All right, that’s enough talk. |
Grain Barn – 30 Year Old
| Chris: | All right. Whiskey. My, my, my. |
| Dan: | Look at the time. Mark, what do we have? |
| Mark: | Well, today we’re tasting two single grain Scottish whiskies. You ask yourself what’s the difference between single malt and single grain? Single malt has to be made with 100% malted barley. Single grain does not. The single connotes where it is distilled. In other words, one distillery. Okay. Other than that, you can use any grain you want. It’s way closer to bourbon than it is to scotch. |
| Dan: | I think the look on Chris’s face, he agrees? |
| Chris: | Surprise. No surprise. I wasn’t expecting that level of completeness. |
| Mark: | This is not a cheap single grain. First was 30 years old. |
| Dan: | That tickles the tongue. |
| Chris: | I get a nice little chest warmth, but I just- |
| Dan: | Did you say what it was, Mark? |
| Mark: | It is Grain Barn, aged in ex-bourbon barrels for 30 years. |
| Dan: | Whoa. |
| Matt: | It’s very fruity. |
| Dan: | What? |
| Chris: | Yeah, that’s the [inaudible 00:21:12]- |
| Dan: | No, is it … They’re aging it in ex-bourbon barrels for 30 years? That is really light for a 30-year age. Of course it’s in Scotland, right? |
| Matt: | It’s supposed to be. |
| Dan: | Wow. |
| Chris: | Actually, this got a great score from Whisky Advocate too. It’s got a 30 … Or I’m sorry, 30, that’s not very good. They got a … Sorry. |
| Dan: | Does Mo know that we do a podcast? |
| Chris: | No. Jen, I’m dealing with some gas smells at the house right now. |
| Dan: | Oh, fun. |
| Chris: | I actually need to take this. I need to take this phone call, but Whisky Advocate’s- |
| Dan: | Yeah. Come back. What is it, a score of 30? |
| Chris: | No, it’s higher. Sorry. |
| Matt: | This is a 48 percenter. |
| Dan: | 91 points, by the way. Finally found it. |
| Matt: | That’s a good score out of a hundred. |
| Dan: | After I entered Chris’s age into the … |
| Matt: | Those are so annoying. |
| Dan: | They’re so stupid. |
| Mark: | Are you old enough to be here? Yes? Okay. |
| Matt: | I don’t know many 12-year-olds that are going to be looking up Claxton’s Grain Barn whisky. |
| Dan: | And that are dumb enough to click no. |
| Matt: | Nope. Sorry. And it sends you to Disney. |
| Dan: | I’m afraid you’re not able to go to this website. Grain Barn, I’m going to call it the Grain Barn 30-year. It tickles the tongue. |
| Matt: | It’s warm. |
| Mark: | It drinks hotter than 96. |
| Matt: | 96. Yeah. |
| Dan: | I don’t know if I was going to say hotter, but it definitely reacts with my tongue a lot. I don’t have a burn- |
| Mark: | I’ll react with your tongue. |
| Dan: | Damn right you will. |
| Matt: | Wow. |
| Dan: | Great nose. Great look to it. I mean this is an interesting one. And you said it wasn’t cheap? |
| Mark: | No. For a single grain it’s a buck-seventy. |
| Dan: | Whoo. |
| Matt: | We charge $20 a pour for this. |
| Dan: | Full pour? |
| Matt: | Yep. |
| Mark: | Not a fan. I don’t get any flavors much out of it. It’s just a little hot on the tongue. |
| Dan: | Yeah. |
| Matt: | I don’t dislike it. I like the fruitiness of it. |
| Dan: | I’m not writing home to mom about it. |
| Matt: | But it’s not one that … I would pay 20 bucks for it once, and then probably never do it again. |
| Dan: | Yeah. |
| Matt: | But I’m going to drink this right now. For free. |
| Dan: | For free. So that was Grain Barn 30-year single grain Scotch whisky, available at the Library Pub. Drink number two is out of an old perfume bottle. Just imagine a jacked-up flask and it’s deep purple. |
| Mark: | Cobalt blue. |
| Dan: | I love that. I like the word cobalt. I don’t know why. |
| Mark: | Me neither. |
| Dan: | It’s just a cool word to me. Now what’s the pourability on that? |
| Matt: | This bottle sucks. |
Haig Club – Single Grain Scotch
| Dan: | Okay. And what is it, Mr. Smith? |
| Mark: | This is Haig Club. |
| Dan: | H-A-G? |
| Mark: | H-A-I-G. |
| Dan: | Okay. Thank you, sir. I know there was other celebrities that passed. I don’t think there was just four since we last did an episode. |
| Matt: | There were some lesser-known celebrities that I saw on the list that were all composers and Broadway actors and stuff like that. |
| Dan: | Gene Hackman. We talked about George Foreman. |
| Matt: | Valerie Mahaffrey (sic)? Duck Dynasty star, Phil Robertson. |
| Dan: | That’s the one I’m thinking of. |
| Matt: | Jill Sobule. Sobule? Died in a house fire. |
| Dan: | Ouch. |
| Matt: | Yeah, it’s hot. |
| Dan: | Make it hot, hot, hot. We probably shouldn’t make jokes about house fires when Chris is dealing with gas smells. |
| Matt: | Yeah. |
| Dan: | When I was a kid, I called Dad when I got home from school and I was like, “Hey, I smell gas in the house.” And he’s like, “All right. Get out of the house.” I’m like, “What else do I do?” And he goes, “Go down to the propane tank and shut it off, and then stay out of the house.” |
| Mark: | Open the windows and get out. |
| Matt: | Looks like Wink Martindale died. |
| Dan: | Who? |
| Matt: | Wink Martindale. He was- |
| Mark: | Invented game shows. |
| Matt: | He was a game show host for Gambit and Tic-Tac-Dough. He also- |
| Dan: | Tic-Tac-Dough? |
| Matt: | He also did an interview with Elvis Presley when Elvis was somewhat young. |
| Mark: | At least not dead. |
| Chris: | What are we drinking now? Oh, sorry. Oh, did you guys start talking about it? |
| Dan: | No, we got distracted with- |
| Chris: | Sorry. |
| Dan: | No, Matt was pouring, so I distracted us with something else. |
| Chris: | Got it. Sorry. |
| Dan: | Haig Club. |
| Matt: | Richard Chamberlain died. Rapper Young Scooter died. |
| Dan: | Oh, young Scoot Scoot. |
| Chris: | Dang it. |
| Matt: | And then there’s a bunch of articles you can click on about Gene Hackman. |
| Dan: | I do not like this bottle at all. Hard to read the label. |
| Chris: | Blue. |
| Mark: | That originally was put out in 2014 as one of the original famous Skye whiskies. |
| Dan: | Oh. |
| Mark: | It is David Beckham’s whisky. |
| Dan: | Really? |
| Chris: | All right. |
| Matt: | That’s pretty good. |
| Mark: | This is really good. |
| Dan: | And it’s $11 a pour. |
| Mark: | I think retail, it’s around 65 to 70. |
| Chris: | It has a really nice salinity on the nose. |
| Mark: | That’s without tariffs. |
| Matt: | I think this is really super easy to drink. Really light. |
| Dan: | This isn’t aged for 30 years. |
| Mark: | No. |
| Chris: | Man, that … |
| Mark: | N-A-S. |
| Dan: | N-A-S? |
| Mark: | Non-age statement. |
| Dan: | Is it just one Haig Club, or is this the single malt? Single grain … |
| Mark: | Arguably, Haig is the oldest distillery in Scotland. |
| Dan: | Oh. |
| Mark: | Which everybody claims. |
| Dan: | Yeah, I thought Dalmore was the oldest. No, wait- |
| Matt: | They’ll all say they’re the oldest. |
| Dan: | Yeah. |
| Matt: | It’s the opposite of when you get a group of women together. |
| Dan: | Send all complaints to Matt.James@LibraryPubcast.com. That’s a new joke that James and I have started at the racetrack whenever the other one says something that could be offensive. Then the other one says, “Send all complaint emails to Dan.Taylor@EagleRaceway.com. |
| Chris: | Yeah, this is good. |
| Dan: | Yeah, I could use [inaudible 00:29:19]- |
| Chris: | It bends it like Beckham. |
| Mark: | Not fantastic, but it is very, very drinkable. |
| Matt: | Yeah. Drinkable and financially approachable. |
| Mark: | Yes. |
| Matt: | Especially for being a celebrity whiskey. |
| Chris: | That was good. It was good. I like the salinity on that. I don’t know. |
| Dan: | A little saltiness, you get? |
| Chris: | Yeah. |
| Dan: | Yeah. That’s good. I mean for 11 bucks, that’s all day. |
| Chris: | Man, what are we coming with all these ones I haven’t heard of? This is amazing. |
| Matt: | I’m starting to pull some bottles out of the back sides of the shelves, stuff that you don’t see when you look at the shelf. And sometimes it’s nice to revisit this stuff so that we can find some more hidden gems. |
| Dan: | Speaking of that- |
| Matt: | That, I think, is your first one. |
| Chris: | It’s his first one. Got it. |
| Matt: | Oh, is it? |
| Chris: | That’s … There you go. Have you poured these yet? |
| Matt: | Did I just get passed up? |
| Chris: | I’m sorry. I am way ahead of you. I’m sorry, Matt, I’m- |
Journeyman Distillery – Silver Cross
| Dan: | What is this? Mark’s? |
| Chris: | Yeah. I think the first one. |
| Matt: | Yeah, that one’s Mark’s. |
| Dan: | Oh, the first one. Okay. Put it down there. |
| Chris: | This one looks very interesting. |
| Matt: | Oh, oh, oh. This one is from Journeyman Distillering. Distillering? Distilling. This is their Silver Cross. 50 to $60 a bottle, 45%, 90 proof. It’s out of Three Oaks, Michigan. And this particular bottle, 1% of sales go to golf charities. |
| Chris: | 1% for golf. Just see that on the front. |
| Matt: | It’s four grain. It’s a non-age statement. No mash bill, but it’s rye, corn, wheat and barley. |
| Chris: | Homemade, organic. |
| Matt: | Oh, yeah. All the stuff used in it is organic. |
| Chris: | Spread a lot of poop on the stuff. |
| Matt: | That’s like, all I get is cinnamon. The nose is pretty unassuming, but that’s like eating a hot tamale. |
| Chris: | It is. |
| Matt: | That’s pretty damn good. |
| Chris: | I would shoot the shit out of this. Excuse my language, but I would … You want to do shots of Journeyman Silver Cross? Yep. I mean it might be a little of an expensive shot, but … |
| Matt: | 50 to 60 bucks, so not horrible. |
| Dan: | For the shot? Or the bottle. I was going to say. Matt. |
| Chris: | Dang, Matt’s rolling. |
| Matt: | No, we charge 12 for a full pour of this stuff. |
| Chris: | How much would a shot be? |
| Matt: | Probably six bucks. |
| Mark: | Wow. |
| Chris: | I’d rather do that- |
| Matt: | It’s super cinnamon-y. |
| Chris: | … than a lot of things. Yeah. But not like- |
| Matt: | Not like a candy cinnamon. |
| Chris: | Yeah, but not like- |
| Dan: | Oh, there it is. |
| Chris: | It’s weird, ’cause it’s not the hot or the spice. It’s the finish. |
| Dan: | It’s cinnamon. It’s like- |
| Chris: | It’s the finish. |
| Mark: | The finish is very, very cinnamon. |
| Dan: | It finishes just like cinnamon finishes after the burn, that’s where the associations coming from, to me. |
| Matt: | With my third and fourth drink, I’m starting to get some sweetness, some sweet, almost fruitiness right before the cinnamon hits you. This is like Christmas in a box. |
| Chris: | I’m trying to find something bad to say about it, but I don’t know that I have one. |
| Matt: | Yeah, I like this. This bottle could get you in trouble. |
| Chris: | I feel it on the sides of my tongue now, now that I’m getting through this. |
| Dan: | God. Sorry. Hitting microphones here. All right, that was Journeyman Distillery, Silver Cross whiskey. |
| Matt: | The Silver Cross. |
| Chris: | Yep. |
| Mark: | Where is Journeyman Distillery? |
| Dan: | Three Oaks, Michigan. |
| Matt: | They are in Three Oaks, Michigan. |
| Dan: | Mark, they’re in Three Oaks, Michigan. |
| Mark: | Thank you. Did they distill their own or is it sourced? |
| Matt: | I believe they distill their own. |
| Chris: | Yeah. Man, they’ve gone through their due diligence of getting these. It’s not easy to get USDA organic, MOSA, kosher. I mean it’s kind easy to get kosher, but gluten-free certified. All this stuff is on the back of this label. |
| Dan: | You just have to pay the rabbi, right? |
| Chris: | And well, there’s some other things, but- |
| Matt: | That’s what Conagra does. |
| Chris: | Yeah, that’s crazy that they have all those labels on the back. So they did their due diligence and paid some money to get that done, ’cause that’s not a- |
| Dan: | Do you know anybody that that would matter if it was USDA Organic when it comes to bourbon- |
| Chris: | My wife. |
| Dan: | … or whiskey? Yeah? |
| Chris: | A hundred percent. |
| Mark: | Yeah, but your wife is odd. |
| Chris: | Yeah, but she’s right though, and science backs her up on all this stuff. |
| Matt: | I mean, it’s healthier. |
| Dan: | A lot of things that I eat, I would prefer them to be naturally organic, clean. |
| Mark: | But if you’re worried about that, just don’t drink whiskey. |
| Dan: | Right. Well, but my point to ask you when it comes to whiskey, that it doesn’t do anything for me, but Chris knows somebody and that’s all I was asking. |
| Chris: | Yeah, I mean if someone likes whiskey and they can’t have it, and then there’s something that they offer that they can then that’s cool. |
| Matt: | It’s a happy day for them. |
| Chris: | And a lot of this stuff that is made in the United States that isn’t, is not sold in other parts of the world because of GMOs and all of things, and well, tariffs now. Yeah, but GMOs and our corn. |
| Dan: | Thank you, sir. |
| Chris: | Yeah, so anyway, let’s not go down that rabbit hole, ’cause I did that once with my wife. |
| Matt: | Yeah, that’s just trouble. |
| Chris: | There’s so many nooks and crannies. |
| Dan: | And you love her- |
| Chris: | And I love her. |
| Dan: | … so much. |
| Chris: | She is … Seriously, she put up with a lot of crap this last May. |
| Dan: | My wife made me a casserole last night. |
| Chris: | Oh, nice. What’d you do? |
| Dan: | What’s that? |
| Chris: | [inaudible 00:35:34] her? |
| Dan: | Yeah, I did. |
| Chris: | Good. |
| Dan: | Twice. |
| Matt: | From the back. What? |
| Chris: | Jeez. |
| Dan: | She said, “What do you want for dinner?” And I said, “I think I want another casserole.” |
| Matt: | Who the fuck says I want a casserole? |
| Chris: | What kind of casserole was it? |
| Dan: | I fucking love … It was like a chicken and vegetable casserole. |
| Mark: | Gross. |
| Chris: | Did she put- |
| Dan: | Cheese crust on top. |
| Chris: | Did she put tater tots on the bottom of it? |
| Dan: | No, |
| Chris: | ‘Cause that’s how Jen makes her casserole, ’cause they’re all like tater tots on the bottom and then everything is put on the top. |
| Dan: | She did a tater tot, green bean casserole last Sunday and it was awesome, so I wanted a repeat of it. And she fricking nailed it. |
| Chris: | It’s not one that I would ask for, but I would never be disappointed if I came home, ever, like seven days in a row, like came home to, oh, new casserole. I would not be upset about it, but it’s not something that I actively, like I want a casserole. There are things that I ask for. |
| Dan: | There was a lot of great things that came out of the ’70s. |
| Chris: | Steaks, hamburgers. |
| Dan: | Casseroles was number one. Casserole dishes were number two. |
| Chris: | I also asked for grilled cheese and tomato soup all the time. I don’t care. That’s one of my- |
| Matt: | That’s winter food. |
| Chris: | … go-to. It’s not. I’ll go home and eat it tonight. |
| Dan: | You’ll eat it every day? |
| Chris: | Yeah. I don’t care- |
| Matt: | For me, that’s- |
| Chris: | … if I sweat, it’s so good. |
| Matt: | … cold weather food. |
| Dan: | All right, let’s get to our last one. Are we doing a top 10 list by the way? |
| Matt: | We can. Does anyone have one? |
| Dan: | I got an idea of one. |
| Matt: | Okay. |
| Mark: | Our last one, boy, it felt like it had been fucked. Only four? |
| Matt: | Well, only three so far. |
Traverse City Whiskey Co. – Michigan Apple Bourbon
| Chris: | What did you just give me in this glass? |
| Matt: | This is the Traverse City, Michigan Apple Whiskey. 40 to 50 bucks a bottle, 40%, 80 proof. And they don’t really tell you a whole lot other than, hey, we put apples in it. |
| Chris: | It’s like cider got drunk, and an apple … Or no, and whiskey got drunk and then they met at a bar, and then this Michigan apple was born. |
| Matt: | They had a little baby. |
| Chris: | Little Michigan apple- |
| Matt: | Little Michigan apple whiskey baby. |
| Chris: | It tastes exactly like it says on the bottle. It’s bourbon– |
| Mark: | And it’s close to Clyde May’s Alabama whiskey. |
| Matt: | I honestly like this better than the Clyde May’s. This is another one- |
| Chris: | This is holiday whiskey. |
| Matt: | … that just gets you in trouble. |
| Chris: | Yeah. I mean, I don’t typically go … I don’t think any of us typically seeks out flavored whiskey, but this is like if we’re going to do it, it’s done with apples, it’s not like- |
| Matt: | But this isn’t flavored, it’s- |
| Chris: | Yeah, it’s just [inaudible 00:38:10]- |
| Matt: | … it’s just part of their mash. |
| Chris: | Yeah. So infused means that they have apples, right? And they put the mash over it, right? Or the- |
| Matt: | They just mix it in right with the mash when they distill. |
| Mark: | The nose is red apple rind. |
| Matt: | Yeah, like red Michigan apples. This is great. They also have a peach one that I saw on their website. I’m kind of curious about trying it now, ’cause this one’s really good. |
| Chris: | All right, so when you guys inhale and you have your mouth open on this, does your mouth start watering? |
| Dan: | I did not inhale. |
| Chris: | So when you inhale through your nose and you have your mouth open, does your mouth water? |
| Matt: | I don’t know if it’s really watering. |
| Dan: | It’s not watering. No. Is yours? |
| Chris: | Yeah. |
| Mark: | A little, yes. |
| Dan: | Oh, yeah? |
| Chris: | But here’s the weird thing- |
| Matt: | Mine waters when I drink this. |
| Chris: | Yeah. So this is super nose, mouth watery. I smell this, and my mouth instantly fills with saliva and- |
| Matt: | Like give me more. |
| Chris: | Yeah. |
| Matt: | Yeah, I like this. They also have a cherry. |
| Chris: | Like Bing cherry or Marashano (sic)? |
| Matt: | Maraschino. |
| Dan: | Maraschino cherry. |
| Matt: | I’m not sure what kind of cherry it is, ’cause they don’t even really tell you what kind of apples these are. They just say fresh apples. But the cherry one’s really good. I would assume the peach one’s probably really good. |
| Chris: | I could see having a little bit too much of this and never having an apple again in your life, ’cause you got sick. |
| Matt: | Oh yeah, if you throw it up. |
| Chris: | Nope. And that would be bad- |
| Matt: | I like apples. |
| Chris: | … for me, ’cause I like apple pie. I like apples. I like cider. I like apple juice in the morning. Apple juice is great. |
| Matt: | This would be dangerous. |
| Chris: | This would be dangerous. |
| Matt: | This would be very easy to over imbibe on. |
| Chris: | Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. |
| Matt: | Oh, that’s yummy. |
| Chris: | I mean just warm it up. Literally, just put it- |
| Dan: | That’s so good. |
| Chris: | … put it in a … There’s so much that you could do with this. |
| Dan: | This is the kind of flavoring … I’m sorry I’ve kind of tuned out finishing up the top 10. But when you talk about flavored whiskeys, this is the stuff that gets the bad name, because of- |
| Matt: | ‘Cause it says apple on it. |
| Chris: | Yeah. Yeah. |
| Dan: | Fireball Blazin Apple. |
| Matt: | That stuff’s terrible though. |
| Dan: | Sorry, I had to cough there. |
| Matt: | I was at a bar the other night and someone actually ordered it on their own free will. |
| Dan: | Did you shoot them? |
| Matt: | No, I was in the bar. |
| Dan: | I can edit it out if you did. |
| Matt: | You can’t have your gun in the bar. It’s against the rules. |
| Dan: | He’s blinking in morse code to me. |
| Matt: | Shot him in the face. |
| Dan: | In the face. |
| Matt: | No, I might be getting a bottle of that, that’s yummy. |
| Dan: | It’s there, but it’s like … I can’t even, I’m- |
| Chris: | How much does it cost? How much is it a bottle? |
| Matt: | 50, 60. |
| Chris: | Okay. |
| Matt: | Or I’m sorry, 40 to 50. Which, yeah, I’d pay $45 for this bottle all day long. This would be a good paintball whiskey. |
| Chris: | This is batch number four. Oh. Oh, yeah. Don’t bring this to paintball. |
| Matt: | It’d be bad. |
| Chris: | I want to play paintball. |
| Matt: | This could be bad. |
| Chris: | All right. |
| Dan: | Mark, are we going to do another one, or am I on the top 10? What are we at? |
| Mark: | We should. |
| Dan: | We should? |
| Mark: | Yeah. |
| Dan: | All right, we’re going to pick one more, and I’m going to tell you guys again, as always with my top 10, these are a little bit up in the air and just kind of- |
| Mark: | Wait just a second. |
| Dan: | Yes, sir. |
| Mark: | Boop-boop-boop-boop. |
| Dan: | Boop-boop-bee-doo boop. |
| Mark: | Headline. Patricia Krenwinkel has been recommended for probation. |
| Dan: | Who’s Patricia- |
| Mark: | For parole. Excuse me. |
| Matt: | I don’t know who that is. |
| Dan: | Was she one of the Manson people? I get it right? |
| Matt: | Good job, Dan. |
| Mark: | She is a chick that cut the baby out of Sharon Tate. |
| Dan: | Oh. |
| Matt: | Pleasant thoughts on them. |
| Dan: | Oh. Well. |
| Chris: | All right. |
| Dan: | That took a twist. |
| Chris: | I got to make a phone call. |
| Dan: | Okay, go ahead and make a phone call. It’s okay. |
| Matt: | Hard left-hand turn. |
| Dan: | Chris is going to make a phone call. Matt’s picking something. |
| Matt: | I’m trying to. |
| Dan: | Hey, the next Whiskey Wednesday, you and I could talk about that while Chris is making a phone call and Matt’s picking out more booze for us to drink. Coming up … Is it this one? It’s publication day, June 4th. |
| Mark: | Yes. |
| Dan: | Right? 7:00 PM, featuring a bunch of whiskies that the marker was too running out of ink for me to read. |
| Mark: | Calumet. |
| Dan: | Calumet. It’s a Calumet vertical- |
| Mark: | Yes. |
| Dan: | I would love these. |
| Mark: | And they make really, really good bourbon. |
| Dan: | It’s underrated bourbon. It’s underappreciated bourbon. |
| Mark: | It is really, really good bourbon that’s not called Buffalo Trace. |
| Dan: | Agreed. All right, so while Matt’s pouring out, and we’re going to work on this, my idea behind this was top 10, and I hate to use the term but there’s no other better one; top 10 frontmen in music. Doesn’t necessarily have to be the lead singer of the band, but somebody that was definitely the- |
| Matt: | Like the face of the band. |
| Dan: | … the face of the band. And- |
| Mark: | Freddie Mercury. End discussion. |
| Dan: | And then we’re going to rank the top 10. |
| Mark: | Freddie Mercury. End discussion. |
| Dan: | Okay, so it is top 10 frontmen. Doesn’t necessarily have to be the lead singer, but the person that you think of the most with the band. And we’re going to rank them one through 10. I think I’m at 25 right now, so I got to trim it down during this next bourbon. And Mark has already submitted number one. |
| Matt: | Oh, we’re doing scotch. |
| Dan: | Sorry. |
| Mark: | Freddie Mercury. End discussion. |
| Chris: | As number one? |
| Mark: | Yes. Oh, shut the fuck up, Chris. |
Tullibardine – 228 Burgundy Cask
| Dan: | Matt, what have you picked for us? |
| Matt: | This is Tullibardine 228. It is a burgundy cask finish. And on the label it says that it’s a drop of pure Highland gold, which, if that’s the case, I’m taking mine to Saul’s and selling it. |
| Chris: | There’s a few that I would compete with that. |
| Mark: | No. |
| Chris: | Yeah. |
| Mark: | Who? |
| Matt: | Michael Jackson. |
| Chris: | Mick Jagger. |
| Mark: | Michael Jackson wasn’t a frontman, he was a solo. |
| Chris: | That’s why I didn’t- |
| Matt: | No, Michael Jackson was the frontman for The Jackson 5 that later went solo, just like Freddie Mercury did. |
| Chris: | I wouldn’t have said Michael Jackson, because yeah, you’re right. When you say Jackson 5, you do think of Michael Jackson. But- |
| Matt: | Him and Tito. |
| Chris: | … Mick Jagger. There’s a lot. This is a whole episode itself really. Let’s just drink whiskey and talk this top 10, ’cause that’s a tough one. Was that the first one that you had on there? Is that the first? |
| Dan: | What are we talking about this for? We still have a scotch to drink. |
| Chris: | Because I thought you guys started. |
| Dan: | Not yet. Not yet. |
| Chris: | I’m sorry, I was on the phone. |
| Dan: | It’s okay. |
| Chris: | I’m sorry. Dealing with gas at the house, it’s not … Anyway, sorry. |
| Matt: | I like this Tullibardine. |
| Chris: | I don’t think they do a bad one, in my opinion. It’s super affordable. |
| Matt: | I know that 44-year that we had from them was out of this world. |
| Chris: | 44-year? |
| Matt: | We bought it from you. |
| Chris: | I know. I forgot. That was a minute ago, wasn’t it? |
| Matt: | I think it sat on the shelf for about two years. Slowly. |
| Chris: | That’s pretty good. It’s very dry and chocolatey. |
| Matt: | It’s a burgundy finish. |
| Chris: | Chocolatey. Like chocolate powder. Cooking cocoa. |
| Matt: | Like cooking cocoa? |
| Chris: | Yeah. |
| Dan: | There you go bud. It’s for your gas problem. |
| Chris: | I get it. |
| Matt: | Little Beano. |
| Dan: | Give him some Beano. Yeah, I carry that around with me now. |
| Matt: | Hey, it is what it is. |
| Dan: | All right, Tullibardine 228, burgundy cask. |
| Matt: | This is a burgundy cask. And on the back of the label it says a delightful ruby color to this whiskey follows with vanilla, light chocolate flavors, creamy richness, and hints of red summer fruit. |
| Mark: | I’m looking at my glass. I see no red. |
| Matt: | Maybe a hue. No, that’s like wheat colored. |
| Chris: | It’s gold-ish. |
| Matt: | But that’s yummy scotch though. |
| Chris: | It is really yummy scotch. I’m going to sip this while we argue about the top 10. |
| Dan: | Yeah. Definitely going to be sipping on this. |
| Matt: | All right. |
| Dan: | I’ve got enough now I can start, but I know there’s going to be some, you’ve left that person off? Only because we’ve only got 10 spots. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8- |
| Matt: | How many vetoes? |
| Dan: | … 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16. I have 17. Shit. Man. I’m going to have to whittle this down. I’m going to aim for a veto each, so- |
| Chris: | Sorry, I’m not going to look. |
| Matt: | One veto each. |
| Dan: | There we go. Okay, 13 names. |
| Matt: | I’m really a fan of this Tullibardine. |
| Dan: | 13 names, and so that’s a veto for each person. |
| Chris: | All right. |
| Dan: | Mick Jagger. Oh, again, this is frontman and women, ’cause there are a couple. |
| Mark: | Three. |
| Dan: | What’s that? Three? This is the person you think of when you think of the band. |
| Chris: | Rolling Stones, pretty big band. That’s who I think of. |
| Matt: | That’s exactly who you think of. |
| Dan: | Okay. Three. |
| Matt: | ‘Cause most of the time you can’t remember the other names. |
| Chris: | I’m okay with a three. |
| Matt: | I think three is pretty accurate. |
| Chris: | Oh, okay. So, sorry, this is breaking news that literally just happened. RNDC just announced that they are leaving California entirely. California is the number one state for booze, hands down, next to Texas. So that’s insane. |
| Dan: | They lost their portfolio for Brown-Forman to- |
| Chris: | I don’t know. Someone else. |
| Dan: | It’s a company that’s not in Nebraska. It’s called Regions or something like that. |
| Matt: | I don’t know. |
| Dan: | Anyways. All right. Mick Jagger, number three? |
| Matt: | I’m good with three. |
| Chris: | Yeah. |
| Dan: | Alice Cooper. |
| Matt: | That’d be- |
| Mark: | See, I would argue Alice Cooper is not a frontman. He is an act. |
| Dan: | Okay. |
| Matt: | He’d be high up for me, like a nine. |
| Chris: | Like a 10? |
| Dan: | I’m drawing a blank. What was his name? Is it- |
| Chris: | It’s Alice Cooper. |
| Dan: | It’s Alice Cooper that was … There was a band, but he was- |
| Mark: | It’s kind of like saying Springsteen is a frontman. No, he just- |
| Chris: | So vetoed? |
| Dan: | No, I’m not going to use it as a … I’m going to take it out, because I was thinking he was a part of … Mark’s argument is correct. I don’t believe he is a frontman, because he was the band. Right? Okay. |
| Mark: | Yes. |
| Dan: | Now we’re going to have another discussion about another one, but we’ll get to that later. Instead, I’m going to say Ronnie Van Zant. |
| Chris: | Again, another low one for me. |
| Matt: | Yeah, that’d probably be like an eight, nine. |
| Mark: | I’m going to go 10 maybe, because I’ve loved Skynyrd, but Skynyrd was more than Ronnie. |
| Dan: | Yeah. Hence he was killed. |
| Chris: | Honestly, I should know this ’cause I am a music guy, but I was having a hard time even; okay, who is this guy? And I know now, obviously, that it’s- |
| Dan: | Yep. It’s Lynyrd Skynyrd. |
| Chris: | … it’s Lynyrd Skynyrd. |
| Dan: | So, in my eyes, that makes it that he should be higher on your list, because you think of him before you think of the band. |
| Chris: | I think of him completely separate from the band. Honestly, I know the name, but I couldn’t correlate the two together, is basically it. |
| Mark: | I think the lead guitarist wasn’t as important as Ronnie. |
| Chris: | Fair. I would put that at a 10. |
| Dan: | Matt? |
| Matt: | Yeah. Yeah, 10’s good. |
| Dan: | Ronnie Van Zant of Lynyrd Skynyrd, number 10. Stevie Nicks. |
| Mark: | Stevie Nicks was not a frontman. Other people did vocals, and Mick Fleetwood was the guy. |
| Dan: | But when I think of Fleetwood Mac, I think of Stevie Nicks. |
| Mark: | Nine. |
| Matt: | Yeah, she’d be up pretty high for me. |
| Dan: | Nine? |
| Matt: | Eight or nine. |
| Dan: | Okay. Kurt Cobain. |
| Matt: | At the time, because nobody knew who the rest of the people in Nirvana were, because they were just these weird long-haired guys and none of them really talked, it was just Kurt. |
| Dan: | Kurt. |
| Matt: | He would be pretty high up, probably like a four. |
| Dan: | I would agree with that. I think he is very high on the list, ’cause he is credited with … We’re talking Kurt Cobain. He is credited with the music, and if it wasn’t for Dave Grohl doing Foo Fighters, it’d be Kurt Cobain and those other two guys. |
| Matt: | Yeah. |
| Dan: | Yeah. |
| Chris: | I would agree with that. What’d we put him at? |
| Dan: | So Matt said four. |
| Chris: | I agree. That’s a good one. |
| Mark: | I would move him up to eight. |
| Dan: | You guys are going to have to fight that out. |
| Chris: | Nope, I’m sticking at four. Screw you, Mark. |
| Matt: | Yeah, I would- |
| Chris: | Created a whole genre. |
| Matt: | I would stay at four. Him and Eddie Vedder. |
| Dan: | Yeah. Even though they were the number one most overrated band on the list? |
| Matt: | They were. |
| Chris: | They were. |
| Matt: | They were, but this isn’t about how overrated they are. |
| Chris: | Listen, not to me, to you guys, but not to me. He’s ’90s. You can’t say ’90s music without Kurt Cobain coming out of your mouth within the first five sentences. |
| Matt: | You can’t say grunge rock without Kurt Cobain and Nirvana. You just can’t do it. |
| Chris: | And it will come back. That will be a genre, just like the ’80s came back, just like the ’70s come back, it will come back. The flannel wearing, all of that is going to come back within 10 years. Mark my words. |
| Matt: | People other than lesbians. |
| Dan: | All right, where are we at? Four? You guys are overriding Mark and saying four? |
| Chris: | Yep. Overruled. Sorry, Mark. Two to one. |
| Dan: | Gene Simmons. |
| Mark: | I don’t think Kiss had a frontman. |
| Chris: | Do you think the makeup’s the front man? |
| Dan: | Interesting. |
| Chris: | Because if they didn’t have makeup they wouldn’t be anything. |
| Matt: | Well, the one makeup-less album was just terrible. And everyone was like, oh, shit, these guys are hideous looking. |
| Chris: | I mean, his tongue, everything about … You don’t think he was a frontman? |
| Matt: | No. |
| Chris: | Who else was in the band? |
| Matt: | I would put- |
| Chris: | I can’t name anyone else in the band. |
| Matt: | … Gene Simmons at a six. |
| Dan: | Paul? Isn’t there a Paul? |
| Matt: | Paul Stanley, Ace Frehley, Peter Criss. |
| Mark: | Ace Frehley. |
| Chris: | See, Ace Frehley is a great name. |
| Matt: | He is a hell of a guitar player. Saw him play The Waiting Room. |
| Dan: | That’s a name that you want to veto? Gene Simmons? |
| Mark: | I’ll veto. |
| Chris: | All right. |
| Matt: | Which I don’t think Kiss is anything of what they are nowadays without Gene Simmons. |
| Chris: | And honestly, I’m okay with that Veto. I understand your point. |
| Dan: | This is a little bit off topic, but would you say that they were the first band that really capitalized on the show? |
| Mark: | Yes. |
| Chris: | Yep. |
| Dan: | Okay. ‘Cause I think that while I love Slipknot’s music, they definitely have a show to them that makes them better, and I think that they took a cue from Kiss. John Fogerty. |
| Matt: | From Creedence. |
| Dan: | Lead singer of Creedence Clearwater Revival and a slight solo career. |
| Chris: | I’m definitely biased on this one, ’cause I said if I ever could sing, that’s the dude I would want to sound like, man. He’s- |
| Dan: | It’s a great day when I just put on that CCR Greatest Hits and just sit back. |
| Chris: | Yeah. |
| Mark: | I give them a three or a five, because four is already taken. |
| Matt: | Three is taken with Mick Jagger. |
| Chris: | I’m okay with any of those two numbers. |
| Matt: | I don’t think he’s a two, so- |
| Chris: | I don’t think he’s a two, so five? |
| Mark: | Five. |
| Matt: | Yeah. |
| Dan: | Okay. Rob Zombie during his time of White Zombie. |
| Matt: | White Zombie. Then that was another concert that was a show. |
| Dan: | Yeah. It still is. |
| Chris: | Still is. It’s so good. |
| Dan: | The props. Holy cow. |
| Matt: | I would have to go six. |
| Chris: | I was going to put him … I don’t know. I would put him probably towards the bottom. I mean, I don’t … |
| Matt: | Towards the better end? |
| Chris: | No, towards the eight. |
| Dan: | 6, 7 and 8 left. |
| Chris: | Like seven, eight. Just ’cause I feel like there’s going to be someone else picked for those. |
| Mark: | I’d veto Rob Zombie if I had a veto left. |
| Dan: | The crazy thing to me about Rob Zombie is he has been putting out music from record labels, I believe, since … If it’s not the early ’70s, it was the late ’60s. |
| Matt: | He’s not a young person. |
| Dan: | Not at all. All right. Eight? |
| Chris: | I’m okay with an eight. |
| Matt: | I’m good with eight. |
| Chris: | Yep. |
| Dan: | Okay. Bono. |
| Chris: | Oh, shit. |
| Matt: | That fucking cocksucker. |
| Dan: | Nobody likes him, but he’s definitely a frontman. |
| Chris: | He is. |
| Matt: | He is. I would go two. |
| Chris: | Yeah, he’s got to, he’s got a single name. |
| Matt: | Just ’cause I’d like to choke him. |
| Chris: | You’ve got a single name, you’ve got to be in the top five. I’m sorry. |
| Dan: | We had a couple of more vetoes left. And I’m going to go Axl Rose. This is going to be a tough one, ’cause I think that Buckethead gives him a run for the … Just kidding. |
| Chris: | So here’s my … ‘Cause I knew Axl was going to be on this, he had to be on this. But is he bigger than Slash? Like Slash is- |
| Matt: | At this point? No. At that point, I would say yes. |
| Chris: | Yes, back when they were, but now … Yeah. |
| Matt: | In 1992. |
| Chris: | Yeah. Yeah. Because the dance- |
| Matt: | Axl was the band. |
| Mark: | I can’t get best frontman to have made one album. |
| Dan: | I think they made two. |
| Matt: | One of their albums was a two-disc set. |
| Dan: | That’s two albums. |
| Mark: | Use Your Illusions sucked. Appetite was great. |
| Chris: | I don’t know. I think they were pretty good. |
| Matt: | Use Your Illusion had some good songs on it. I mean, November Rain was on it, that’s one of their biggest hits. |
| Chris: | He’s not number one. |
| Matt: | No. |
| Dan: | No. |
| Chris: | We have six and seven left. |
| Dan: | Yep. |
| Mark: | Seven. |
| Matt: | I’d put Axl six or seven. |
| Chris: | Yeah, I’d put him seven. |
| Dan: | Seven? |
| Chris: | Seven. |
| Matt: | Yep. |
| Dan: | I’m going to go- |
| Mark: | You’re avoiding the obvious. Stop it. |
| Dan: | All right. Freddie Mercury. |
| Mark: | One. |
| Matt: | I would go number two. |
| Chris: | We don’t have it. |
| Dan: | You can’t. Bono’s two. |
| Chris: | Damn it. |
| Dan: | It’s one or six, and I shouldn’t have waited this long to put him in there. |
| Matt: | Then I guess Freddie’s got to go to six for me. |
| Chris: | It’s got to be one. |
| Dan: | I think it’s got to be one. All right, so it’s a battle for six, and you got- |
| Chris: | Well, hang on. Hang on. |
| Dan: | Sorry. |
| Chris: | We haven’t finished talking this discussion about Freddie Mercury, ’cause should he be on the list, one? Yes. |
| Dan: | Yes. |
| Chris: | Should he be as number one? I don’t know. |
| Mark: | Should he be six? |
| Matt: | I don’t think he should be six, but that’s all we got left. |
| Chris: | But here’s the deal. |
| Dan: | I think I messed up and I painted you guys into a corner. |
| Chris: | You want to know why I am considered a jerk sometimes? |
| Dan: | Let’s hear it. |
| Chris: | Veto. |
| Dan: | I know why. |
| Chris: | Veto. Veto it. |
| Matt: | Wow. |
| Mark: | How can you veto Freddie Mercury? |
| Chris: | ‘Cause I want to see what else is on the list. |
| Dan: | He’s just being a jerk. You’re going to hear the list anyways. You still have one spot left. |
| Chris: | But don’t I have to use a veto? |
| Dan: | You don’t have to use a veto, but yeah. |
| Chris: | Gosh dang it. Do I want use this veto right now? |
| Mark: | On Freddie Mercury? |
| Chris: | Yeah, I know, I know. |
| Dan: | It’s Freddie Mercury. |
| Chris: | Okay, fine, fine. Six. |
| Matt: | I’d be lying if I said I didn’t think about it. |
| Chris: | One. Fine. I just- |
| Dan: | See, all of this is because you are so adamant, Mark. |
| Chris: | Yes, that’s it. |
| Dan: | Every one of us agrees. |
| Matt: | We almost double vetoed Freddie Mercury. |
| Chris: | Did you see Mark’s eyes when I said veto? |
| Matt: | He about fell out of his chair. |
| Chris: | All right. |
| Dan: | All right. Four more names left. I don’t know how I got to that, but four more names left. James Hetfield of Metallica. |
| Mark: | I’ve never heard the guy’s name, so no. |
| Matt: | I’d skip him, because he’s not who I think of when I think of Metallica. |
| Dan: | Who do you think of? |
| Matt: | Hey guys, I’m Lars Ulrich. I play the drums. |
| Dan: | Lars- |
| Matt: | He’s a hell of a drummer. |
| Dan: | And he may, being the more vocal of the group, he may actually be the more fronter of the men. |
| Chris: | I agree with that he’s- |
| Matt: | Well, he’s the one that does all the interviews. He does- |
| Dan: | Well, he talks the most during all of them. |
| Matt: | Hey guys. |
| Chris: | And he doesn’t talk like this. |
| Matt: | It’s so vetoed. No, Lars talks with a lisp. This is my drum, guys. |
| Chris: | But one of the greatest bands to come out of Metallica is Beatallica. And it’s- |
| Dan: | I thought you were going to say Megadeth. |
| Chris: | … Beatles songs in the tune of Metallica. |
| Dan: | Metallica is the musical theme? Or musical- |
| Chris: | Hey dude. |
| Dan: | I’m going to have to look that up when we’re done. All right. Scott Weiland. |
| Matt: | Oh man, you should have said- |
| Dan: | Stone Temple Pilots. |
| Matt: | … some of these a little earlier. Stone Temple Pilots and Velvet Revolver. |
| Chris: | Yeah, but I don’t … Scott Weiland over … Matt, you have to use your veto on this one. Save us, ’cause- |
| Matt: | I can’t veto Scott Weiland. |
| Chris: | Really? |
| Matt: | Yeah. |
| Chris: | You’re going to put him on the list? How many more we got? We got two? |
| Dan: | Well, I think I’m going to kick one of them out, because I think I’ve talked myself into it. It’s the same thing as like- |
| Chris: | Oh, okay. So it’s- |
| Matt: | Scott Weiland- |
| Chris: | Let’s see if I can … Scott Weiland. Are we going to put him at six? |
| Matt: | Scott Weiland in concert was absolutely amazing to watch. |
| Chris: | And STP was one of my very first concerts. |
| Matt: | And they put out a lot of really good music. |
| Chris: | Yep. |
| Dan: | All right. Six? |
| Chris: | Yep. |
| Dan: | That rounds out the list. |
| Chris: | Can I, without looking- |
| Matt: | Is Michael Jackson on the list? |
| Chris: | No, no. I got one I want to ask. Yeah, is Michael Jackson on the list? One. |
| Dan: | No. |
| Chris: | Two. Is Bob Seger on the list? |
| Dan: | Yes. |
| Matt: | Against the wind. |
| Dan: | Which, again, it’s technically Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band. |
| Mark: | I would not call him a frontman. He was solo- |
| Dan: | He was a solo act. |
| Mark: | … with the band behind him. |
| Matt: | But I can’t think of anyone else in the band’s name. |
| Dan: | No. |
| Matt: | None of The Silver Bullets. |
| Dan: | I have no idea who a Silver Bullet is. |
| Chris: | That’s because the name Bob Seeger is looking at you. |
| Dan: | Yeah. I mean, I went most of my life not realizing that it was Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band. |
| Chris: | Oh, yeah. |
| Dan: | I just knew it as Bob Seger. The other name was Chester Bennington of Linkin Park. |
| Mark: | Oh … |
| Chris: | Yeah, I’m with Mark on that. Great band. Good. It’s great. He’s a good dude. Rest in peace. But … |
| Dan: | He was unalived because of his views. |
| Matt: | Him and a few other people. |
| Dan: | Yeah. |
| Chris: | That’s the conspiracy? |
| Dan: | Yeah. |
| Matt: | Supposedly they were doing a documentary on child sex trafficking, and it was him, Chris Cornell and- |
| Dan: | Robin Williams? |
| Matt: | … Bourdain- |
| Dan: | Oh, Anthony Bourdain. Yeah. |
| Matt: | … were the three names that I’ve seen associated with it. Now whether or not it’s true, I don’t know. |
| Dan: | Also, it had a lot to do with the Church of Scientology. And I watched a YouTube thing on this. The new lead singer of Linkin Park, I can’t remember her name. |
| Matt: | Yeah, it’s a chick. |
| Dan: | I think she’s awesome. |
| Matt: | She’s really good. |
| Dan: | Her mom was the third in command with the Church of Scientology until she was sent, like 10 years ago or so, for rehabilitation. |
| Matt: | [inaudible 01:02:44] for deprogramming. |
| Dan: | Reprogramming. She was locked in a cabin for two and a half years, not allowed to see friends, family members. And that’s when the daughter broke away from the church. And they think that’s one of the major reasons why they hired her as a new lead singer is ’cause she’s now going to have a platform to start speaking out against the Church of Scientology. |
| Matt: | Interesting. |
| Dan: | Oh, I love conspiracy theories. Maybe that’s the next one we should do, top 10 conspiracy theories. |
| Matt: | Wow. |
| Chris: | Do we got 30 minutes? We’re going to cruise through the [inaudible 01:03:13] about that one, ’cause that’s fun. |
| Dan: | All right, here’s your list. Freddie Mercury, number one. Bono, number two. Mick Jagger, number three. I mean, seriously, who moves like Mick Jagger? Nobody. Number four, Kurt Cobain. Number five, John Fogerty. Number six, Scott Weiland. Number seven, Axl Rose. Number eight, Rob Zombie. Number nine, Stevie Nicks. And number 10, Ronnie Van Zant. Don’t come at me with I can’t believe you didn’t, because there is a lot of frontmen that I wish I could have put on here. Like Layne Staley, Bradley … Sublime? |
| Matt: | Cooper. |
| Dan: | Sublime’s Bradley … |
| Matt: | Oh. |
| Chris: | Oh, Nowell. |
| Dan: | Yeah. |
| Chris: | Right? |
| Dan: | There’s a lot of frontmen I wish I could have put on there. David Raymond. I think you would’ve been a great- |
| Matt: | Dave Navarro. |
| Dan: | Dave Navarro. Yeah. Dave Mustaine. |
| Matt: | A lot of Daves. |
| Dan: | How about top 10 frontmen named Dave? All right, get out to the Whiskey Wednesday this coming Wednesday. It’s a Calumet vertical. It is $60 a person? |
| Matt: | 60 bucks. |
| Dan: | And it is on publication day. So listen to the podcast, head over to Library Pub, 90th and Fort, and enjoy a vertical of Calumet whiskey. For Mark, Matt, Chris; I’m Dan. Thanks everybody for listening. We’ll see you next week. |
| Matt: | Yeah. Happy summer. |
| Dan: | Probably. |
| Matt: | Mostly. |
